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By the way, what office is this?

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Is this a government office or?

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No sir, it's a private small group of scientists and laymen.

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Alright, are you associated with APRO?

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No sir, we do cooperate but we're not affiliated in any way.

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Alright, well, I was in Tucson here about three weeks ago and I talked to Eli Doherty.

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He's the office man with APRO and I told him of the situation that I had made observations on some duck in a meadow in a duck lake property that I'm trying to bring back.

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I'm a manager of a group of men that are interested in this.

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We had a landing but evidently a hovering here around the middle of May and it was just as if you took a donut cutter and punched down on it.

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The four and about four and a half feet in the center, a little further on the far side was standing upright.

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This is very fragile grass, swamp grass, what they call sweet grass.

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It's about four and a half feet high and even the beard stayed up but everything from that edge in a rim out about ten feet or a diameter of, it would be ten and ten plus four or five would be a diameter of about,

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outside diameter about twenty five feet.

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That ten foot ring outside the donut hole, outside the standing grass of four and a half feet was punched down, flattened, completely flat in a clockwise motion.

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About four or about seventy feet from there was another one further out in the meadow, out in the meadow.

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It was round but it wasn't as clearly delineated as the one right up next to the bank where I was making my sighting.

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I went down there without taking my poor rights so therefore I didn't take the important picture.

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But before I left on my vacation I went down there and took a look at it and this is the phenomena that I reported to Dorothy when I was in Tucson.

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I went up to the office and talked to her for about an hour.

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From the inner circle, inner portion it was left standing, the grass even with its beards of seeds was left standing.

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From that edge outward the growth progressively, there was no growth right next to the grass, new grass growth right next to the perimeter of the intercor.

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But the growth of grass constantly got higher away from that inner cut.

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The ten feet out it was just that if you took a slant line there you could see the new grass growing up higher and higher until the finally got to the edge.

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Now when I saw it yesterday I took a picture of it yesterday because Dorothy asked me to get some grass in different places which I have a plot marked out where I picked this grass up.

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I got three grasses at each plot, five different positions, one in the center, three going out to the ten foot spot and one on the outside of it.

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He said they have a botanist who would like to run some checks on it.

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So I'm sending that down to him tomorrow.

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But in between the times of working at the Death Lake I went down to the wayside tavern and had a cool beer.

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And as he felt it came in, it runs a mobile station down there on the highway next to the...

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This is by the way just on the county line between Mobile County and Columbia County on this land.

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And he told me that, by the name of it he was talking an awful lot about observations he's been seeing.

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Now I looked him up and it took a little while to get him to talk in his confidence because everybody looks at him like he's crazy.

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But he tells me that he has practically nightly observations there right now.

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He saw what he thought was a phenomenon last night with the revolving red light standing still.

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And he got on his CB and he talked from Scappuz to Woodland Washington to another CB'er.

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And they both were on the CB and observed the same optic.

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They had a triangulation. I don't know who the guy was in Washington.

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But he and his wife had seen him.

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His wife and he had seen him separately and also the youth.

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Their boy who was about 24 or 25 had seen him.

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And of course what I was interested in is had anybody seen anything down there where our hovering was.

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And of course this is the only thing I could dig up.

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But he says that you can come over there almost any night and see him.

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Matter of fact he invited me back tonight to take a look if I wanted to.

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Now are these moving objects?

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Yes he says that he's run the whole gauntlet.

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He's got the one where the tube comes down and he says it retracts.

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When they turn that light off it's a light tube.

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But he said when they turn it off he says you can see it retract into the optic.

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And he's also got the one about big enough that he has seen 10 of them dislodge from it.

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They go out some of them fly back in and fly back out.

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But he's counted as many as 10 of them come out of it.

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And then he's got the with glasses.

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He's seen them in his clothes.

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He's given us, or any of them he told me is what has always been reported.

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Interesting about this probe light, or the light that went down,

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claims it went down into the river, Columbia River, or thereabouts.

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But he said that you could actually see the light being retracted.

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It's just like a tube.

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That's quite common.

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You can see it being retracted.

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But anyway they're having a huffle-buffle down in that area.

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I stopped at, when I was in Scalp who someone on into St. Helens,

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went into the county sheriff's office and asked one of the deputy sheriffs a direct question.

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If any of them, any UFOs been reported.

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And he says no.

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And I said thank you.

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And I walked out.

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So I stopped the state police.

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And I asked the girls there in the office and they said no nothing has been reported.

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And I was telling them about my, my grass situation.

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Of course I'm interested in the fact that something's going to be around there.

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Am I going to have any ducks to shoot at this year?

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Yes.

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And they said nothing had been reported.

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But they pulled out a car out of their circular file and wrote down your name

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and their UFO reporting center, gave me your phone number and your post-mortar box and stuff like that.

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Oh great.

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So I have that.

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And I tried to get a hold of Carol Watson who I know is associated with APRO here in Oregon someplace.

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He's down in Medford.

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So I can't call APRO here in Oregon so I did the next best thing called you.

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Well I'm sure glad you did.

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It sounds like there would be worth the trip down there.

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Well it sounds to me like they're flapping around quite a bit.

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He said come on back tonight.

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He said bring a good pair of glasses.

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He says you'll see them.

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Oh that's great.

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We'll have to contact that gentleman.

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Well you've got all the boats on him.

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Yes sir.

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And he's at the point right now where what he has said nobody believes him so he's trying to keep his mouth shut.

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And I told him that this will probably get in touch with him probably even tonight.

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Because I thought of Shady Co. Roy.

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And I'd never heard of it.

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I thought it was born and raised in Oregon.

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I thought well if that's in Salem like I thought it was why Watson would be coming up tonight to make an investigation.

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But she's all on your hands now.

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Are you the bunch that started up here a few years ago and is publishing a paper?

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Yes.

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I read of you.

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I read of you.

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We originally started out with the name aerial phenomena research group.

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I know of you.

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I know of you.

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You put out a very fine publication at one time if I remember right.

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Right.

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We were pretty proud of that.

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Yeah.

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Well I went the other way.

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I joined Carol and Jim Lawrence's group.

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It's a fine organization.

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I'm a member of APRO.

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Yes.

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We've met both of those people and they're doing a beautiful job.

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You put out a nice very fine objective book here.

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It's not so long ago.

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I suppose you read it by now.

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Yes.

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I think I have read all of their books.

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This is just published I think in February.

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That's about all I can give you.

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Well sir we sure appreciate it very much.

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Very own from here.

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There's not even a flap of quite a bit down here now.

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Okay.

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Can we feel free to get back to you at any time?

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No, no.

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Anytime.

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Great.

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If I have, if there's any report on this graph that I'm sending down, why, and I get

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anything, I'll be glad to hand it over to you.

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Now we get a lot of calls from the greater Portland area.

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Do you follow up on any investigations?

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No, I'm not a trained investigator.

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I have knowledge.

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It's probably, I have a considerable amount of knowledge, but it's probably best that

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I don't because I've never reported and I don't think, I don't think basically I could

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be objecting as I should be.

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Okay.

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But in something like this I feel like it certainly gets something started.

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Okay.

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Well, thank you once again for letting us know about this.

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Righto.

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And we'll probably be talking to you later.

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Anytime.

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Thank you very much.

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Right.

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Bye.

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Bye.